Today is Remembrance Day when we remember the sacrifice of those in war.  Perhaps the biggest symbolic reminder is the red poppy distributed by the Canadian Legion.

But this year, for the first time in history, there has also been a white poppy campaign in Quebec.  The white poppy goes back 80 years to Britain.  It does not remember war but encourages peace. A spokesperson for white poppy says, “It is to remind ourselves that in contemporary war, far more civilians are killed than are military personnel.  You can’t conduct modern military war fare without what is coldly called collateral damage.”

The Legion is opposed to the white poppy campaign.  “The poppy is the trademark of the Royal Canadian Legion and should not be used by any other association.  ”

The red poppy reminds us of what happened in war.  The white poppy emphasizes the need for peace.

Would you support the white poppy campaign?


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    Tony Kondaks Says:

    While it is true that it is virtually impossible to conduct warfare without “collateral damage”, there has never been a time in history in which civilian deaths and injuries habe been at an alltime low…at least from the perspective of American military technology.

    Smart bombs that target just the intended target will minimize or eliminate collateral deaths. Contrast this in the past when an intended target would be massively bombed, taking out all and everything in the surrounds.

    So, those who support the white poppies should be the first onboard in supporting government investment in R &D for military technology. Of course, these so-called Peaceniks are usually the first to call for cuts in this area.

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    Neil McKenty Says:

    Civilian deaths are at an all-time low. Give me a break. Fewer than 5,000 U.S. military died in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of civilians did.

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    The Legion says no to the white Poppy. That’s good enough for me.
    The white Poppy idea is just another attempt to upstage history.

    Pick a white Gardenia, Carnation or Petunia, and celebrate World day of peace.

    PS: Please, we don’t need (another) a body count.

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    What does the need for peace mean when people think that you`re the devil`s children , or no better than vermin ? What does it mean to advance peace when your neighbours are military dictators,and their subjects like to blame you for their lot ?

    Military technology-like drones, and allegedly smart bombs-make war risk free , and life cheap,and do not bode well for future conflicts.

    Before I ramble too much ,my point is that as long as there cultures that glorify death and war- Hitler`s Germany, people like Hezbollah, come to mind-then normal countries will have no choice but to arm themselves and plan for the worst. That isn`t glorifying war but simply facing human nature.

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    One civilian death is too many.

    But compared to the way warfare has been waged in the past, civilian deaths are much less than they otherwise would be without the advanced military technology that has been developed.

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    As for how many were killed in Iraq, it is a matter of wide dispute:


    Again, one civilian death is too many…but sometimes wars have to be fought. For example, Neil, you were thrilled with the war that Obama waged in Libya in which innocent civilians were killed.

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    The white poppy is a copycat and a fraud. I won’t wear one.

    Like Patti says, pick a different flower — anything else. The poppy belongs to the Legion.

    As to the issue of civilian deaths, well, that’s what makes it war. If there were no civilian deaths, it would be a game.

  8. 8

    I wonder if the Legion has a copyright on the Poppy…anyone?

    It would be like erecting green arches over a fast food vegetarian restaurant! 🙂

  9. 9

    Yes, the Legion “owns” the red poppy, Patti. But only the red. That’s why the white one is allowed legally. But it’s still a fraud.

  10. 10

    As for the green arches, wouldn’t that be an interesting legal battle? If the owner of the vegan restaurant had a last name beginning with, “M,” I can see its being a right royal ballyhoo…

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    Yes, it would be an interesting battle…McDonald’s could bury almost anyone.
    Poor little Canadian Legion couldn’t mount the financial battle to fight the inappropriate infringement (fraud) on their property, so we’ll just have to boycott the white Poppy on their behalf!
    Please pass the word… Respect our legion- Do Not Wear A White Poppy!

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    jim Says:

    I came off poppy duty today after 10 days of reminding people that the reason we went to war was to make peace. Even today Syria is slaughtering its own. Who is going to stand by and watch it happen? Or, should we assess the situation and say let’s invade, try not to kill civilians (oops I just got grazed by a bullet from one of those so-called civilians). We shoot the murderer at the top of the heap and we go home, most of us at least. Civilians killed accidentally? 1% of the surviving population. We let Hitler and Stalin on the loose for too long. The cost, 35,000,000 murders plus civilian and military deaths injuries and casualties. It could have been much worse, Hitler was working on the atomic bomb. Today, a lady donated to the poppy fund. She was wearing a white poppy. For some reason she was apologetic about that fact. In the shudda, wudda, cudda area, wouldn’t have been better for them to have had a different flower and sold at a different time of the year, such as Spring, a fresh beginning? On the other hand did we not serve for them to have the freedom to do what they are doing. Lest we forget. BTW – the Dominion Command of the Royal Canadian Legion has never opined on the white poppy situation.

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    Jim: Thanks for your service. There is so much work by Legion volunteers and veterans to keep memories alive and the rest of the year, they raise money and contribute to many worthwhile community efforts.

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