To almost national acclaim, Democratic Governor Cuomo in New York has led his state, by a narrow margin, to adopt a law permitting gay couples to marry. Opposition to the law was Led by Catholic Archbishop Dolan of New York.  So far as I  can ascertain the religious knock on same-sex marriage is that it is unnatatural and that it deprives any children of  a parent of the opposite sex.  It seems to me the Catholic scandal of priests raping little boys and bishops covering it up weakens the church’s authority to condemn gay marriage.

Furthermore the argument goes that marriage is by its very nature is between a man and a woman and that’s the way it’s been for thousands of years.

It follows, then, that same-sex marriage, ipso facto, will weaken and undermine the family unit, the foundation of society.

If we can have same-sex marriage, why can’t we have polygamy?

Or does the New York law put same sex couples on the same footing as heterosexual couples when it comes to marriage?

Do you think same-sex marriage is unnatural?  Do you think it undermines the traditional family?

Is the same sex marriage law in New York a step forward?

What do you think?

P.S.  The New York law, passed late Friday night, has put Governor Cuomo on the political map.  I preidict he will be the Democratic nominee for the presidency in 2016.  Remember, you read it here first.


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    Barbara Says:

    Sorry to rain on your parade, Neil, but you are not the first to predict Cuomo on the top of the Democratic ticket in 2016. It is really early to make such predictions. That said, it would certainly not surprise me.

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    The Catholic church’s stance against same sex marriage is wrong. If Catholicis don’t like same sex marriage, they are quite free not to have one. However, they are NOT ALLOWED to speak for non-Catholics!

    If they think it’s “unnatural,” they don’t have to do it. But they are NOT ALLOWED to stop someone else.

    Why don’t they get that?

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    jim Says:

    Typical question before Cuomo’s law, “Are you married Jim? Jim, “Yep”. End of conversation.
    Question after the change of law “Are you married Jim?” Jim,”Yep”. Follow up question “Jim , are you – that way?” “Gee, I don’t know which way do you mean? “Well let me put it discretely
    as possible. Does your sweetie have a bad habit at bedtime, by way of developing a headache. Well, not a headache, but he always wants me to make him a tuna fish sandwich and the I get a headache.
    If the authorities were to name the ceremony a union in lieu of a marraige we wouldn’t have all this confusion

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    littlepatti Says:

    I seem to remember a statistic… The Gay community represents 1%-2% of the population. If that’s true, there would be very little impact on society and would make them feel included in a society needing a change. There may be a generation* who are not quite comfortable with the idea, but time has come for equality for women, minorities and Gays. Calling marriage by another name, is just another way of excluding the Gay community.
    BTW:* Most people of my generation grew up in a world where the only Gay people we knew of were drag queens- So we had a very skewed view of homosexuality, and it’s been a long road to understanding-thus acceptance. It was easier for some than for others.

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    Jim, it does not follow. Whyshold the question before and the question after be any different? “Are you married?” “Yes.”

    No further details are required.

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    Neil McKenty Says:

    Non=Catholics are not bound by the teachinghs of the Catholic church.

    However, the Catholic church has a right to influence legislation (such as marriage laws) which, if passed, would bind non-Catholics.

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    jim Says:

    Lady Janus – I have friends, males and females, who are homosexuals and I have been invited to their homes and I in turn have invited them to my home. We both know who we are ( not in the bibical sense) and as Lady Gaga said we are all equals.
    Now, I’m at a business convention of railroaders and a bunch of us are in a bar waiting for the doors to open and during the course of the wait the chit-chat has established that we are all married. Later this man singles me out to ask “How about ankleing up to my pad and do some partying? Now, if this man had established, earlier in the evening that he was in a union with someone. I would know what he was asking and I would then have an option.. But having said he was married earlier, I would have to ask him if he was “that way” and if he said yes I would then thank him for the offer and mention that “my way” was in the opposite direction.

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    Jim, sorry, I don’t understand. Are you suggesting that every married gay man is looking to jump you if they give you an invitation to party?

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    jim Says:

    No Lady Janus not every one. The goal of some homosexuals is to get themselves a virgin, ergo the attempt. Further to this situation, within the general population there are some people who are a little slow, and the homosexual mentioned should have known that I was not sending community signals. However his thinking was probably clouded by his urgency to exchange b–ws with the virgin.
    BTW Lady Janus, I hope you appreciate my taking time to explain. I must be losing it. Am I wasting time trying to explain my point to someone who has said on many occasions, “I don’t know and I don’t want to know”. Have a nice evening unless you’ve made other plans.

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    joe agnost Says:

    OMG Jim!! You are truly ridiculous…

    Jim wrote: “The goal of some homosexuals is to get themselves a virgin, ergo the attempt.”

    I’m embarrassed for you jim… I don’t think I’ve ever read a more ridiculous explanation for being anti-SSM. Wow.

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    jim Says:

    Joe – Your scholarship in your comment leaves much to be desired. To unravel where your at, would you please answer a basic question? How many homosexuals have you rubbed shoulders with in your home or in their home?

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    joe agnost Says:


    In discussing gay marriage and your aversion to it you wrote about how claiming to be married would no longer make it obvious that you’re heterosexual – and that this seemed to be a reason to ban SSM. I find this ridiculous.

    jim asked: “How many homosexuals have you rubbed shoulders with in your home or in their home?”

    I really don’t know – but I also don’t know how that is relevant. I have, and do, know homosexuals though if ~that~ is your question. They’re just like me – only they are attracted to the same-sex (unlike me). They’re just normal people jim…

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    “The goal of some homosexuals is to get themselves a virgin…”

    Same goal as for heterosexuals. With the same proportions.

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    jim Says:

    Joe – I see that you are not close to homosexuals or their community, therefor you woudn’t know what I’m talking about. Just as you said you “really don’t know”.
    Lady Janis – Surely you are not opining – that the “same goal as for heterosexuals”, you are suggesting that male heterosexuals make a point of approaching other male heterosexuals for a bump and grind in the bushes in the back yard? And “with the same proportions” Lady Janus – Naughty, naughty.

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    “…you are suggesting that male heterosexuals make a point of approaching other male heterosexuals…”

    No, I’m not suggesting any such thing and you know it.

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    Barbara Says:

    That’s not how I read Lady Janus’ remarks, Jim. I thought she meant that the goal of some male heterosexuals is a female heterosexual virgin. Get some lens cleaner, Jim.

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    jim Says:

    Ladies – I know what Lady Janus said, it is just that the way it was phrased, it could lead to a different read which I picked up on and Lady Janus said that I knew differently and rightly so. Ladies I spoke tongue in cheek. One of you is giving me a wagging tongue and the other is giving me some cheek. Keep the jabs coming you exceptionalists

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