IS CAIN HURTING THE GOP?

Four women have publicly accused Herman Cain of sexually harassing them.  Cain says they are all lying.  Now a fifth women has stated that she and Cain had a 13-year affair that ended when he decided to run for president.  Cain says she is lying.  Oddly, Cain’s lawyer issued a statement saying an affair between consenting adults is nobody’s business but theirs.  Cain now says he is reassessing his run for the  Oval office.

Indeed Cain’s support is collapsing.  The question is where will it go?  The answer almost certainly is that it will go to Gingrich.  Today’s Globe and Mail speaks of a “stampede” to Gingrich.  He already leads Romney in Iowa and South Carolina and is within striking distance in New Hampshire.

This is very good news for Obama.  He would beat Gingrich more easily than he would beat Romney.  His operatives are salivating at the thought of Gingrich as the Republican nominee.

Sadly for the GOP, this presidential race has turned into a carnival.  Perry, Bachman and now Cain are all losers who should not be running for the highest office in the land.  Can you imagine a former pizza magnate with multiple charges of harassing women ending up in the White House.  It boggles the mind.  Cain’s sexual shenanigans have demeaned the whole race.  It is a carnival in which the most impressive candidate, Jon Hunstman, does not get anywhere with these rock-ribbed conservatives.

Should Cain get out of the race now?

Is Cain hurting the GOP?

What do you think?

26 Comments »

  1. 1
    Heidi Gulatee Says:

    Cain seems to have dug his own grave. He should have been thinking of his reputation earlier. It is unlikely that 5 women, all saying the same, are all lying. The American friends are quite squeamish about sexual scandals.I know that I would not vote for a guy that has such a past and is not smart enough to make sure it does not become public. But even then these days things come out, see the Clinton affair .Once out it is difficult to defend yourself.
    Even if there is a small chance that Cain is innocent ,his reputation is already ruined.I am interested to see how this plays out with our neighbors in the South.
    He now has to think about resigning. I do not envy his choices.

  2. 2
    Tony Kondaks Says:

    If Cain is innocent, that means that all five women are lying…AND it would necessarily mean that some grand, coordinated, conspiracy between them all was afloat to do him in. Hardly likely.

    Neil poo-poo’s Bachmann and Perry. I’m not crazy about either of their Christian fundamentalist stances, but I do like Bachmann’s long, consistent record on calling for a balanced budget and the need to slash spending. This is the #1 issue and it trumps all others. I like Perry’s courage in broaching the whole Social Security issue (an incredibly unpopular topic that only can lose you votes) and his pushing of the flat tax.

    Both Bachmann and Perry would be vast improvements over the incompetent currently residing in the White House. Unfortunately, their public gaffes have, from an image perspective, totally dimmed their chances. And of course totally unfairly, especially considering Obama had many more and worse gaffes but was always protected by and given a pass by the main stream media.

    For example, when Obama — a constitutional law professor — said during his campaign that as president, he would rescind laws that he deemed unconstitutional, it got minimal coverage in the media (as any high school student can tell you, only the Supreme Court can do that or Congress by repealing a law). An obvious gaffe but had Bachmann, Perry, or any GOP candidate said it, it would have buried any chances the had. Same with the Reverand Wright debacle.

  3. 3
    Neil McKenty Says:

    Heidi,

    There is a real question about whether Cain was ever serious about running for president. He has little organization and even less cash. What he seems to be really interested in is selling his book and becoming a motivational speaker charging fat fees. Whether he stays or goes does not now make muchdifference. He is finished.

  4. 4

    The Republicans are in thrall to the hard right wing-anti-abortion,anti- immigrant,anti-tax . No innovation or originalty allowed. None of the candidates can get past that. If Gingrich could actually face up to them with his modestly pro-immigrant stand, he might make waves,but he`s been around too long,and has a mile-long freight train of baggage.

    Five bucks says Obama takes it all.

  5. 5

    Is anyone surprised? Another “old goat”…
    I think that it reflects so badly on the Republicans who just can’t attract savvy, smart, moral candidates. (Are there any?)
    Newt> OMG!!
    I like Heidi & Tony’s thoughtful comments, but I am still hopeful for Obama. I am disappointed in his performance so far, but I do like him. The others can promise anything-they all do, until it’s time to “put up”.
    Neil says “…imagine…… ending up in the White House?”
    No, I can not imagine any of that crew in the White House, and I couldn’t imagine George Bush Jr. either!

  6. 6
    Tony Kondaks Says:

    Speaking of gaffes, between the time I posted the above comment a few short hours ago and now, Obama let fly yet another doozy:

    “In a press conference this evening, the president referred in stumbling fashion to the “English Embassy” in Iran instead of the British Embassy. One can only imagine the kind of howls of derision that would greet any presidential contender if that kind of basic error were made before, say, the editorial board of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.”

    From: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/11/29/does-obama-know-the-difference-between-great-britain-and-england/

    One can’t but help be amused when, last week, Newt Gingrich offered Obama a great concession if they were ever to debate: “I’ll even let him use a teleprompter if he wants to.”

    Sadly, Obama’s handlers shouldn’t let him speak at ANY time in public –particularly when dealing with grave, internatiional issues such as Iran — WITHOUT the benefit of a teleprompter. Otherwise, the community organiser is quite likely to gaffe us into a nuclear war.

  7. 7

    There is a whole world of difference between honestly flubbing a line and saying something stupid (like USA has 58 states for instance) and actually believing and saying stupid things (like vaccines will make your child mentally retarded).

    When Michelle Bachman says something stupid it’s often because she believes it… I can’t imagine a less qualified person for president.

    And the GOP has been a joke since this race began – the only decent person running is Huntsman (incidentally also the only one of the bunch that accepts basic science as true.) Cain doesn’t help nor hurt the image of the GOP – he actually fits right in at the moment!

  8. 8
    Neil McKenty Says:

    Oh, for heavens sake, Tony, come off it. After a hard day at the office is it a mortal sin to snext timeay English instead of British. Of course, you must be frustrated that every day this Republican farce continues, Obama’s chances of re-election increase exponentially.

    Just so you are sure of my bona fides, if Obama loses, the next time you are in Montreal, I’ll buy you a dinner of oysters and steak at Joe Beef’s tavern. If you will do the same for me if Obama wins, which he will.

  9. 9

    I’m not on the Obama bandwagon that Neil is – which makes is doubly frustrating for me to watch these buffoons running for the GOP nomination. I don’t want the GOP to put one of these losers up against a worse president than GWB! I want a viable alternative to Obama’s brutal presidency – and the GOP don’t have one.

    Obama would be MUCH better than the lot the GOP is looking at right now (barring Huntsman who doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the nomination)… but he’s been such a bad president that I don’t want him either!

  10. 10
    Tony Kondaks Says:

    Joe: show me any evidence that even remotely suggests that Bachmann actually said vaccines will make your child mentally retarded. She brought up, once, AS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE the case of one parent who came to her with that concern and voiced it publicly.

    For the past several years there has been a growing movement ACROSS THE WORLD that vaccines are responsible for the epidemic if autism. Although not proven by any stretch of the imagination, there are hundreds of scientists and doctors in addition to tens of thousands of parents who desperately subscibe to this theory. Certainly, autism is NOT retardation (although there is much crossover between the two conditions) but parents of mentally retarded children cannot be too faulted for grasping at any explanation or solution to their plight…and Bachmann should NOT be faulted for voicing their concern.

    So please, Joe, put a stop to your uninformed and ugly jingoism.

    Neil: you’re on (re: the bet).

  11. 11

    Tony wrote: “She brought up, once, AS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE…”

    When she was pressed – after the debate – on it she stood by her statement. When the AMA released a statement saying that her views were dead wrong and harmful she still refused to back down. When an $11,000 prize was announced if she could produce this “mother” that she claims told her this she still couldn’t produce this woman.

    Tony cont’d: “there has been a growing movement ACROSS THE WORLD that vaccines are responsible for the epidemic if autism.”

    And in the years since this started the science has been CONSISTENT in debunking the claim. It’s no longer a matter of opinion – the science conclusively debunked the idea that vaccines have ANY affect on autism rates. The “doctor” that stated this movement has since been shown to have done this to further his alternative to vaccines (and make himself rich) – he has been thoroughly discredited.

    Tony cont’d: “Although not proven by any stretch of the imagination, there are hundreds of scientists and doctors in addition to tens of thousands of parents who desperately subscibe to this theory.”

    Wrong. Not one ~reputable~ scientist or doctor subscribe to this theory – it has been totally discredited.
    You are spreading your ignorance here Tony…

  12. 12

    Tony , be serious. Nothing trumps Cain,thinking long and hard about whereinthe hell is Libya. To give him the benefit of the doubt ,he was probably thinking of a good pickup line to try on his female interviewer.

    All of which proves if you have a split-and plain lousy-opposition,the day is yours. just ask Chretien. Or harper.

  13. 13
    Tony Kondaks Says:

    Joe: just as I suspected; you couldn’t come up with any evidence that Bachmann actually said “vaccines cause mental retardation.” Citing offhandedly some article you read at some point doesn’t pass muster. You’ve got google at your fingertips. Try using it.

    As for the vaccine/autism controversy, this is an issue that I have been personally involved in for years…and I have consistently been on the side of those who do NOT believe there to be a connection between autism and vaccines.

    But I know enough parents of autistics — good, well intentioned people — who do believe it. And plenty of autistics who do, too. And although I disagree with them on this issue, I am sensitive to their advocacy.

    They’re wrong and there’s no science to back them up. And, indeed, some of those parents — such as Jenny McCarthy — go to such an extent in discouraging vaccination of children that it borders on the criminal. But you can’t put down, as you do, and so insensitively dismiss a whole class of people who are desperate to find some explanation for what has so disrupted their lives.

    Have some compassion.

  14. 14

    FYI-It seems that there are so many more autistic children than in the past. However, the statistics are not supporting that.
    The explanation is, that many other disabilities are now under the umbrella of autism, such as numerous behavioural disorders.
    I don’t believe that vaccines cause any of it, but once a theory is rampant, it’s hard to disprove. Children start to exhibit signs of a disorder at the age (8-10 months) when they are getting vaccinated, and parents, put 2+2=5. If they are being totally honest, there are other signs, before that time, but it is very hard to accept. It’s human nature to suspend belief, and a person like Bachmann should not try to offer “explanations” or “solutions”.
    In my experience, there are very few, and government does not step up and do what they should.* Ever.

    PS: *That applies to all children, all ages, all needs. Government is not spending rightly in education.

  15. 15
    Jim Says:

    Your photo is a classic picture of Murderers’ Row. They range from the talkative academician (Newt), with his multiplicity of meanings, to the birdbrain (Cain) who, if given a chance, would infect the whole corpus of civilization, if he knew where it was (try Libya). The remainder are all pontificating pontiffs. The Seven of them, all with dwarf melons, should be quaranteed until they come up with some ideas to help their fellow-travellers, in lieu of concentrating on getting themselves elected. These birds are all on a teabag island, shut off from their constituents. The drivel they come up with can best be described by what someone back in the UK once said, ‘You can say just about anything you want, provided you say it murkily enough. What a disaster.

  16. 16

    Tony wrote: “you couldn’t come up with any evidence that Bachmann actually said…”

    To this day she still hasn’t backed down from that statement. Even after the experts have denounced her statement as ignorant she stands by it.

    http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/13/vaccination-causes-mental-retardation-fact-checking-michele-bachmanns-claim/

    Tony cont’d: “But I know enough parents of autistics — good, well intentioned people — who do believe it.”

    And that’s a ~real~ problem. Those “well intentioned” parents need to be educated not placated. I feel bad for these parents – but that doesn’t change the fact that they are wrong in their beliefs, and that their beliefs do REAL harm to others! Are you aware that previously eradicated diseases (like mumps) are making a comeback because parents are scared to vaccinate their children! That’s real damage being done by mis-information! People are literally dying because of this!

    Tony cont’d: “although I disagree with them on this issue, I am sensitive to their advocacy.”

    Then you are part of the problem. You are allowing (in fact, you’re helping) to propogate a myth that does real harm to people. The humane thing to do would be to tell these well intentioned parents why they’re wrong and how thier stance is hurting people.

    Tony cont’d: “But you can’t put down, as you do, and so insensitively dismiss a whole class of people who are desperate to find some explanation for what has so disrupted their lives.”

    I don’t “dismiss” them, I want to educate them. Their stance is actively harming the population and you seem to think that if it helps them feel a little better then it’s worth it. I disagree and think people like Oprah, who gives an air of authority to people like Jenny McCarthy, are really harming society.

    Tony finished with: “Have some compassion.”

    For whom? I want to help and pointing out that their beliefs are dead wrong and actually hurting society is the best way to do that… people need to understand how safe vaccines are and how harmful it is to everyone when one family opts out of vaccines.

    I have compassion for all of humanity – which is why I speak out against the anti-vax crowd no matter how good their ignorance feels to them.

  17. 17
    Tony Kondaks Says:

    joe: what can I say? You make excellent points…and perhaps compassion in this case should be as you say: holding firm and insisting that parents realize they are on dangerous ground insisting that there is a link.

  18. 18

    Thanks Tony…

  19. 19
    Jim Says:

    A passing thought – Should an adultress, (party of the first part), married to the President of the U.S.A.(party of the second part), be addressed as “First Lady”?

  20. 20
    Barbara Says:

    Should judges who are adulterers be addressed as The Honourable … ?

  21. 21
    Jim Says:

    Barbara – No, not if they are addressed as “The Honorable First Lady”

  22. 22
    Neil McKenty Says:

    Cain is now gone. What a relief. I hope his support goes to Gingrch. Obama will beat him going away.

  23. 23

    Neil: I agree.
    There was not one “note” of distress or remorse. (One less immoral, scum bag, bites the dust).
    I wonder if his wife will stick with him…What term did he use? “I’ll suspend my campaign.” I hope she “suspends” their marriage & rightly so!
    These guys are really good actors!

  24. 24

    Patti, I take it you believe the women?

  25. 25

    I do believe the victims.
    I am not an anti-media theorist, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt when the 1st victim stepped forward. 5? 6? That’s no coincidence!
    (I also DON’T believe Sandusky.)

    Could it be a Cain supporter who said”
    “them bitches be bad”?

  26. 26
    vimax Says:

    I think you should use more images on your blog, but besides that, it is really great. Cheers.


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