IS GOVERNOR ROMNEY A CHRISTIAN?

At a religious conservative convention over the week-end, a popular Baptist minister said he could not support Mitt Romney over Rick Perry.  The reason he said was that Mitt Romney, a mormon belonged to a “cult” separated from the christian religion. Naturally a minister could not support a candidate who was not a Christian over another candidate who was a firm believer.

The Baptist minister, rev. Jeffress, maintains that all the polls show that at least 40 per cent of fundamentalist Christians will not support Romney under any circumstances.

Is Mormonism a “cult” in the sense that it is outside the boundaries of biblical Christianity?

Mormonism was started by Joseph Smith in the 1820’s and he was succeeded by Brigham Young.

Mormonism to day represents the new non-Protestant faith taught by Smith in the 1840’s.

Protestant theologian, Rev. Albert Mohler states the following. “Mormonism rejects the Bible as  the sole and sufficient authority for the Christian faith.  Mormonism rejects what orthodox Christianity affirms and it affirms what orthodox Christianity  rejects.”

Is Governor Romney’s religion anybody’s business except his own.?

Will Governor Romney’s Mormonism hurt him at the polls?

Do you consider governor Romney a Christian?

36 Comments »

  1. 1

    It’s past time when religion should have any status in politics.

  2. 2

    There is no need to drag the Bible into a political race,
    I think that it would alienate a large number of voters: Jews, Muslims, agnostics etc. and in this case, Christians who have a variety of beliefs.
    Attacking a person’s belief is dangerous territory, and much can be revealed about intolerance. Jeffress has revealed himself and his supporters!

    Rev. Jeffress should get together with Don Cherry, get down on their knees and ask for forgiveness. (just kidding)

  3. 3
    Neil McKenty Says:

    How do you get religion out of politics when entire blocks of the electorate won’t vote for you precisely won;t vote for you because of your religious beliefs?

  4. 4

    Kennedy changed things, so I guess time will change things. African Americans got a right to vote only in 1964, so they have a long way to go in modernizing their thinking there…I am ever the optimist!

  5. 5
    Tony Kondaks Says:

    If Romney considers himself a Christian, that’s good enough for me.

    But I hesitate to say that one’s religious beliefs shouldn’t be a consideration when choosing who to vote for. If a nutjob like Jerry Falwell were a candidate, I would reject him solely because of his religious beliefs. I would reject a Satanist for the same reasons.

  6. 6
    Barbara Says:

    No, I do not think Mormons are Christians, although I suspect they share many of the same values. They are good people and being a Mormon should not stand in the way of someone running for President of the U.S. Bigotry should not be given any weight.

  7. 7

    Tony, what do someone else’s religious beliefs have to do with you? If they’re not bent on imposing them on you, why do you care?

  8. 8

    In recent elections in New York city, the Jewish population had an interesting choice. The Democrat, Weprin,had been parachuted in to replace Anthony Weiner,who had resigned. Wepner is Jewish but took an unpopular -for that riding- pro-gay stand. His opponent, Bob Turner,is Catholic ,and hewed to the mainstream orthodox Jewish view on that matter. For that reason,along with possibly others, Turner won.

    In the Jewish publications,there was a lively debate on whether to support a Jewish candidate who broke fom the line,or a non-Jewish one who espoused certain values. Plus,the Democrat v. Republican issues.

    There was also mention among orthodox voters of the danger of inserting religious values into an election , as opposed to taking a principled stand. It breaks many ways.

  9. 9
    youngshoutman Says:

    No I don’t think so, although similar they are different beliefs but with that why should it matter? if you disagree with them don’t vote for them.

  10. 10

    Politics & religion- what a brew!
    I agree with Tony.
    Come to think of it…I wouldn’t vote for Fallwell the nut job, or a satanist, but I may vote for a Mormon. Thankfully, I don’t have to vote in that race-we have enough “criteria” here to think about, but I don’t think I would make the decision based on religion or personal belief unless it was separatism, communism or Scientology.

  11. 11

    Lady J asks me:

    Tony, what do someone else’s religious beliefs have to do with you? If they’re not bent on imposing them on you, why do you care?

    If I could be assured that the candidate’s religious beliefs would not impact how they govern and would not be imposed upon me, I would not care.

    Jerry Falwell, the example I used, did not, to my knowledge, run for office. But if he had (and, yes, there are clowns like him out there), I would base my choice not to vote for him entirely upon his religious beliefs. Here is a sampling of those beliefs:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/16/us/antichrist-is-alive-and-a-male-jew-falwell-contends.html

    Now, let me ask you, Lady J: if someone like Jerry Falwell ran for office and he represented 100% of everything, politically, you believed in, yet you also knew that he had nutty ideas about religion, would you vote for him?

    One’s religious beliefs most certainly impact impact who and what they are as people; indeed, one’s religious beliefs are in most instances the most fundamental beliefs that one holds. If they are of a quality that I vehemently oppose — such as those of the Rev. Falwell — I would most definitely hold them against that person in making my choice.

    Take Rick Perry for example. I simply love the fact that he is introducing debate on the question of Social Security and whether it is federal jurisdiction and should be returned to the individual states. This, I believe, is something long overdue in the U.S. (indeed, a history of Social Security will reveal the shenanigans that FDR undertook to create it, including threatening another branch of government, ie. the Supreme Court). So my hat is off to him for doing so…and I think his support of this one issue is enough to make me support him (that is, if the wonderful Michele Bachmann weren’t in the race).

    But I would hesitate to vote for Perry because of his connection with that religious nutcase who spoke out against Romney the other day and I am now very, very hesitant about Perry solely based upon his religious beliefs.

  12. 12
    Neil McKenty Says:

    In my view anyone who would even think of supporting Michelle BaCHMAN should be disfraanchised.

  13. 13

    Non sequiter follows. Neil,you haven`t mentioned the passing of Saint Steven,high priest of the cell phone.

  14. 14

    Bachmann is my #1 choice, so I guess I should be disenfranchised…

  15. 15
    Heidi Gulatee Says:

    As long I can respect someone because I see that they respect women and minorities and people that need care I could vote for them.
    Neil, I also want to thank you for bringing up so many issues, even when I do not comment I still go on the blog every day and I have learned a lot about many things.

  16. 16
    joe agnost Says:

    Tony wrote: “…you also knew that he had nutty ideas about religion…”

    This just kills me… It never ceases to amaze me how a religious person can claim that someone else’s religion is “nutty”. They’re all equally nutty Tony – if you believe that there is a God out there affecting society in some way then you are quite simply crazy.

    It really takes a lot of hubris to believe that Jesus (for example) is the son of God, died and came back to life – but that Mormons (another example) hold “nutty” beliefs… something about glass houses comes to mind.

  17. 17

    Yes, jim, I believe there is a concept called “God”. But it is probably very different from what you or others believe it to be.

    I hold that “God” is pure consciousness; pure awareness. I believe it is the “Self” that is the same essential nature that we all have and can all experience.

    I believe it is “the kingdom of heaven within you” and not some pie-in-the-sky you only get after you die and after you have racked up brownie points in suffering here on Earth.

    I also don’t think it is something you have to believe in blindly. If it is, indeed, real, you should be able to experience it on a daily basis and live it on a daily basis…and you should be able to be totally skeptical about it if that is your wont…and I am convinced that science should be able to objectively confirm this state of consciousness which I expect to be done at some point.

    I hold that holy books — the Bible, the Koran, the Vedas, etc. — are not instructions but descriptions…and it has been the confusing of these two concepts that has gotten us into all sorts of trouble throughout our history. A description of a higher state of consciousness (ie, the texts contained in holy books) confirms to the seeker whether or not the internal experience he is having has any validity. But to erroneously take those descriptions and employ them as instructions to get to the goal reaps only bad results. A description of the view from the top of the mountain is not an instruction to get to the top of the mountain.

    An example: In the Bible, Jesus is quoted as saying (I paraphrase): “I am the light and no one gets to the Father except through me.” This is a description of experiencing the kingdom of heaven within you, not some sort of instruction or dictum that Christianity and blind belief in Jesus is the only way to God and that all others will suffer and rot in hell for all eternity. Experiencing for oneself what is claimed to be the light of pure consciousness and Jesus’ description at that point will only make sense. Only with that personal, direct experience will it make sense that that is the only way to experience God. But the experience is available to all 6 billion on the planet regardless of which temple or building they worship in (if they do said worshipping at all).

  18. 18

    Sorry, I addressed the above to “jim” when it should have been to “joe agnost”.

  19. 19

    Tony, once again, and please pay attention this time, I DO NOT CARE WHAT SOMEONE ELSE’S RELIGION IS as long as they do not try to impose it on me. I have friends within almost all the major religions, and there are some in my own religion that I give a very wide berth. I do not decide who my friends are based on their religious beliefs. I decide based on how they treat the world around them, in all its parts. It might enlighten you to know that none of my friends has any religious bigotry. Does that answer your question?

    I remember the near-panic among Protestants when Kennedy was elected in a squeaker. An awful lot of them were tearing their hair out (what little they had left after the campaign leading up to the election, that is), imagining the the Pope was going to be building a second Vatican right next door to the White House, and that there was going to be a religious war in America — like they hadn’t been fighting one already, except they were imagining themselves being forced from their self-declared, “good guys” position to the role of the Saracens during the Crusades. And they all knew that for a fact! They were in deadly earnest about their fears.

    And what happened when Kennedy took office? *!*

    That left a lasting impression on me…that supposedly educated and clear-thinking adult beings could stampede themselves into such a bloody panic over what turned out to be purentee lies, stuff, and nonsense!

    And those of you who think you would never vote for a Satanist probably have NO IDEA what a Satanist is, or what he believes, or what he would do if elected any more than those panicky, stupid, supposed adults knew what Kennedy believed or what he would do when elected. If you had a clue about Satanism, you wouldn’t be declaring so blindly and so prejudicially. Do yourselves a favor before you embarrass yourselves, hm? Do a little homework on the subject before you take the exam.

    Start with the fact that Satanists do not worship Satan. They don’t even believe that such a being exists. Once you’ve got your heads wrapped around that basic tenet, you can learn other things. And don’t learn from those who actively oppose Satanism. All that will get you is more lies. Learn from the practitioners, themselves. And question everything you’ve ever “learned” about Satanism from those who are bent on filling your minds with fear and panic.

  20. 20
    Neil McKenty Says:

    Lady Janus,

    I followed the Kennedy election quite carefully and I simply don’t remember it the way you do. Of course Kennedy’s Catholic faith was aan issue among ill-=informed protestants. But after he gave his splended speech on his religion to the Protestant ministers in Dallas, the issue faded. This much is certain. Kennedy could not have been elected without wide-spread Protestant support at the polls.

  21. 21

    I apologize to the Satanist demographic for my allegedly prejudicial remarks. I meant no disrespect against what must be a wonderful, fulfilling, faith of love and harmony.

    And may I express my goodwill towards all your members, be they men, women, hearts of toads, spider innards, and Beelzebub impersonators.

  22. 22

    Neil writes:

    This much is certain. Kennedy could not have been elected without wide-spread Protestant support at the polls.

    Yes…foremost amongst them white, bigoted, red-neck Dixiecrats from the Deep South with whom Kennedy was all too keen to form alliance in order to both secure his nomination and get elected.

  23. 23

    It’s interesting how the use of language shines such a bright light on the writer.

  24. 24

    …and let’s not forget those wonderful Protestants in Illinois and West Virginia who helped get Kennedy elected.

    When, during the campaign, Bobby went to his father exhorting him to spend even more money to get his brother elected, he responded: “Tell Jack I’ll buy the election for him but I won’t buy him a landslide.”

  25. 25
    Neil McKenty Says:

    The fact is evey nickel Joe Kennedy gave his son was perfectly legal.

  26. 26

    …how about the nickels he gave the mob in Illinois and West Virginia?

  27. 27

    WARNING! DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU ARE INTOLERANT TO CHRISTIAN OPINIONS.
    I DO NOT INTEND TO CONVERT OR CONVINCE only to EXPRESS & not DEFEND.
    I am a Christian.
    I am blessed by being born in a country with healthcare, education, food, and tolerance for free expression within a democracy.
    I am blessed by my own serenity and peace and faith in my fellows.
    I am blessed by my family and friends.
    God is “in the house”.

  28. 28

    Patti, congratulations! Enjoy your religion. I hope everyone allows you to do so.

    I would like for everyone to be equally blessed in their own religion, and with their own dieties or lack of them!

  29. 29

    Would you like to “equally bless” the people in the religion depicted here?

  30. 30

    Tony, what is it that you do not understand about PERSONAL liberty? Have you been imprisoned for so long that you simply have no frame of reference for being able to make your own choices without interference from others?

  31. 31

    More on the wonderful Kennedy’s and Democratic Party (from Ann Coulter):

    If Richard Nixon had won the 1960 election instead of John F. Kennedy — as some say he did — there never would have been a need for… the Freedom Rides and the rest of the civil disobedience of the civil rights movement.

    But as soon as the Democrats got control of the White House, enforcement of the Supreme Court’s civil rights rulings came to a crashing halt. Elected Democrats in the states were free to violate legitimate constitutional rulings without interference from Democratic presidents.

    The ingenious system given to us by our founding fathers faltered on the morally corrupt obstructionism of elected Democrats. They simply refused to abide by the rules — with glee at the state level, and at the federal level, with cowardice.

  32. 32

    I don’t need “everyone (or anyone) to allow me”. It is a freedom I enjoy by virtue of living here.
    Fortunately, I have never met up with any obstacles to practice my life as I wish.
    Tony: Thanks for reminding us that not all countries are free.
    That is a very sad situation.

  33. 33

    Lady J writes:

    Tony, what is it that you do not understand about PERSONAL liberty? Have you been imprisoned for so long that you simply have no frame of reference for being able to make your own choices without interference from others?

    I have no idea what you are talking about.

  34. 34

    “I don’t need “everyone (or anyone) to allow me”. It is a freedom I enjoy by virtue of living here.”

    You just completely missed my point, didn’t you? I wonder if you did so on purpose…

  35. 35

    Lady Janus tells me:

    You just completely missed my point, didn’t you? I wonder if you did so on purpose…

    Since you are unwilling to explain to me what you meant, perhaps someone else who actually understood what you wrote can do so?

  36. 36

    Tony, in that particular comment, I was not talking to you. Does that help your confusion?


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